blame from yourself. so it is sort of defense argument 101. and in this particular case, the uphill battle, i don't know how uphill it is, for the government is that one of the particular crimes to which gates has pled guilty is lying to the fbi. and not just lying to the fbi, but lying to the fbi in the course of an interview -- in the course of a promeeting in which was trying to convince the fbi specifically that he was being truthful to try to get a deal. so the argument that you see time and time again in court, sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't, if you have good corroborating evidence of the testimony of this previously lying witness, sometimes it works. but this is a guy who lied before, he lied to the faces of the fbi, why should you believe him now. so why not use him as a scapegoat to escape criminal liability for yourself. >> what do you make of mueller bringing this trial now? do you think it is part of a larger strategy? obviously just a few weeks ago the grand jury returned indictments against 12 members of russia military intelligence which obviously at least as far