president, not only does he have trouble telling the truth, but he has trouble defining what truth is. i mean we live in a realm where we're talking about alternative facts. but in this case it's not just comey versus trump. i think that's where ken and the president and rudy get it wrong. it's not just comey versus trump. it's the words of cohen. it's the words of mcgahn. it's these investigators who have been out doing their due diligence for over a year now. so it's not just one statement. they're taking a totality of statements, putting them together, and if five people say one thing, odds are that is the truth versus donald trump. you would take those five. so it's not just comey saying something, but it's his presidential attorney saying those things. it's cohen saying those things when he has an opportunity to sit down with the investigators. it's not one or the other. we don't have to make that choice. and truth is truth. i don't understand why this is such a difficult task that we're putting ourself under. >> ken, one of the things i'd