about collusion and this doesn't prove collusion and the other stuff. >> on the factual basis. but the president obviously said something today that wasn't true, didn't know about it until after the fact. >> how the white house responds. >> you mean sarah sanders. not the president. he's part of the president, to. >> president sanders handled it -- >> and donald trump have lied about this, this instance. michael cohen said he did this on his own. the president didn't know about it. now the president directed know do it. so it's not just the president wh who's told different stories on this. it's also michael cohen. when you have a credible claim and i think you have laid out, multiple other reasons why someone would pay this money, this is a very, very hard case to prove that he's broken campaign finance laws. >> do you think it makes a difference, a difference in the midterm elections, a difference in the trump presidency or is everybody just in their corners and it is going to remain as it has been? >> two different things. midterm elections you saw democrats came out today and