been able to navigate working with donald trump and you know, a lot of people that sort of everything he touches dies doesn't really apply to her, right? she's been able to get in and out of this administration untarnished. i would even say in a better position than she was probably when she went in at least with experience she didn't have which has not been the case for a lot of people who have come out of this administration scathed. >> the you mentioned you think she's one of the deftest political players that you have seen. what do you think about her decision to avoid taking on the president directly though, frank? >> it continues as tradition. she doesn't want to be welded to his side but the last thing she wants is the to be attacked by donald trump and have him going after you. he goes after you all guns blazing. she's deft. she left this celebration after two years because she needed two years to punch the foreign policy hole in her ticket, to have a better resume for whatever comes next. every month you stay in the trump administration is another