tell each other truthful stories or the world truthful stories. in fact, it happened in watergate. many people were saying different things. different people we know today from hindsight were motivated by different reasons. so you can still come together as a conspiracy, in fact not even knowing all the other co-conspirators. and the beauty of the conspiracy law is that hearsay is relevant, it can come into any prosecutions, and you're responsible for the activities of other co-conspirators. i think roger could be getting a slot in the conspiracy. >> so then what kind of charges? what would the charges be? >> the underlying -- the case that mueller has been building we know from his indictment of the russians is really a case to defraud -- a conspiracy to defraud the government, have a fair election. and that would be what would -- you know, this would be part of that. you could slide right into that.