visiting two of those champs today, one in karns texas and in daly, and children belong in homes, schools and parks and playgrounds and not being locked up behind barbed wire. >> this is where the devil is in the details. if you believe their parents are breaking the law by crossing the border illegally, the only option is to let them free in the interior of the country, and as you know many people object to have and that doesn't work either. they have to be locked up, either with their family or not with their family. what is the other option? >> the other option is a family case management program. it's a program that was shut down by president trump. it's a program that the instructor general of homeland security said in his report that 100% of the families showed up for their asylum hearings. when you have a program that works perfectly well and treats people with respect and you shut it down and choose to lock up families instead, and lock up