defender of the president now. i want you to listen to an interview of mulvaney talking about the president's plan to build a wall. this is back in 2015. >> the fence is an easy thing to sell politically. it's an easy thing for someone who doesn't follow the issue closely, that will solve everything. a fence doesn't solve the problem. to just say build the darn fence and have that be the end of an immigration is absurd and childish for someone running for president to take that sim police tick -- simplistic view. >> he said it, mulvaney was on the hill pushing to get funding for the very wall that he said was silly. >> trump is already mad at him because of other critical comments that came to light. is the chief of staff just a thankless job in this administration? >> no, there's one that's more thankless. it's called attorney general. right. so the fact of the matter is