politics. good to have you with us. >> happy holidays. >> thank you. to you too. both the president and the democrats are holding firm on the border wall. who's likely to blink first? what damage will be done in the meantime with the government shutdown. >> well, it's not a question of someone blinking as much as someone being forced to close their eyes. it will be donald trump. that is when democrats come in on january 3 and take control of the house of representatives. which of course is the body that has budget authority. i think the chances the trump has support from either house of congress to maintain the shut down. that evaporates. it's a question of how long before he finally gives up on the idea of $5.7 billion for the wall. keep everything closed. in terms of the damage, in a sense we have been buffered over the holidays. because of course a will the of workers wouldn't be working anyway. but remember that more than 400,000 such as workers at