candidate trump. he was going to construct a physical wall. i can imagine -- in fact, i'm almost surprised we haven't seen trump's tweeting already about what john kelly said about it not really being a wall. while i think folks around the president may say that and while that's probably true in terms of the administration's policies, many of his supporters are very whetted to this idea of building this physical barrier. so much so, it's one of the reasons the president has backed himself into a corner on this government shutdown. he said this is about constructing a wall, constructing physical barriers. can he walk away now without getting some of that? it's unclear. >> well, possibly immigration, immigration reform, and security. very complex subjects. so you come up with one simple phrase, a wall. and bam, you use that as your kind of shorthand speak. i'm wondering, wesley, the democrats may say, all right, look, i got to give you 5 billion for your border security. in exchange, i'm only getting something that might help these