point. pelosi and schumer come out, give a press conference that say we have reopened the government and haven't given him his wall. and then president trump signs it and says, they gave me my wall! and it doesn't matter what's in the actual bill. democrats will say they didn't give him wall money, trump will say he did get wall money. that's how this ends. we'll get to that point when one side or the other feels some sort of political pain. and right now, neither side is feeling political pain. there's pain being felt by the federal workers who aren't getting paid. pain being felt by people who need federal assistance in some way, but aren't getting it, because of the shutdown. but political pain, federal workers are not a pressure point for this president. >> and kirsten, the president had another opportunity today to express compassion and sympathy for those workers. some of whom live paycheck to paycheck. >> yeah. >> here is some of what he said. >> i really believe that these people -- many of the people we're talking about, many of the people you're discussing, i really believe that they agree