that came out, prior to being reported in the media, i do believe, during his mid-term campaign. now, if you ask me about the senator's response, i don't think he should have said that i was a little too busy running around the country, and i think -- >> what should he have said? >> if you asked him directly, i think he would also regret. that i think what bernie had said about some of these types of issues in the past, that frankly we as campaign managers, it is not acceptable. that it shouldn't have happened. and that they have taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen in the future. and even regardless of senator sanders, if he runs for president or if he doesn't, i think this is an opportunity to elevate the conversation, and continue to elevate the conversation, around the issues of sexual harassment, sexual violence, around the issues of pay equity, so that they can continue to be addressed throughout the, not just in politics, when we talk about business education, everywhere, because these things are in fact, still happening. >> simone sander, and governor jennifer granholm, thank you both for joining us. great to have you with us in the new year. the first week in the new year.