ramifications of this continued shutdown, ron. the president of the national pilots association is urging president trump to end the shutdown. he warns this, and i'm quoting him now, "the disruptions being caused by the shutdown are threatening the safe operations of this network." that's a serious, serious concern to the millions of people who want to fly. >> it is. i mean, you is ironies really on both sides of the ledger here. first you have the impacts of the shutdown on genuine areas of national security and first on that line are people worried about the air traffic control system, the tsa agents who are working without pay, the coast guard. et etch more directly, the e-verify system used to verify the legal status of new hires is down. a key element of the enforcem t enforcement -- immigration enforcement machinery. the immigration court system is down. and all of this, you know, on the other side of the ledger, toward as we've been talking about, something that is very hard to portray as a crisis. the undocumented immigration population in the u.s., by the best estimate we have from the