crowd around them. somebody in the gaggle said give me a rule of thumb and i gave a rule of thumb that was accurate based on briefing i had but excluded government contractors. but the number you and i talked about is the correct number. you're right. if the government were to be shut down, you would be looking at a cost like that. but i want to add one other thing. we're at a time in the business cycle that is especially good for people who have been separated from society and disadvantaged by the weak economy of the great recession so what is happening is incomes at the lowest are growing faster than for people as a whole and people are reconnecting to the labor force. >> wage growth. >> so the point is what's happening is people who were most disconnected who most need our help are being pulled back into the labor force so it's seine tshl recovery continue. >> essential. yes. we agree. it's essential the recovery