and this, if it leads to impeachment, well, as donald trump would say, let's see what happens. >> yeah. >> but i don't think -- you know, it is not just an impeachment or even primarily an impeachment strategy. it's a strategy to find out what the heck happened here. >> yeah, you need a simple majority in the house to impeach a president, but you need a two-thirds majority in the senate to convict the president and remove him or her from office. let's talk, david swerdlick, about what jerry nadler, the chairman of the house judiciary committee, is up to. he's setting a pretty high bar right now for impeachment, suggesting you got to convince more than just democrats that this is the right thing to do, you also got to start convincing republicans and even trump supporters. >> right, congressman nadler is part of leadership, he's the committee chair and the leadership of the democrats, kind of along the lines of what jeffrey was just saying, know that the line they have to strike, wolf, is they don't want to rule out impeachment too soon and don't want to rule it in too soon. it's not a madeup procedure. it's right there from the framers in the constitution.