jb jenn, biden is a dwout catholic. he has publicly spoken about how he struggled with the issue of abortion. are we just seeing that essentially play out? he had an opportunity here to say i'm actually now against this. but he didn't. i mean he is sticking with his point of view. >> the matter. and i agree with everything that joan said. i think this is boyden's personal point of view. as you mentioned's dwout catholic. he has hadator you ared point of view for a long time which wasn't out of the mainstream maybe 20 years ago which is that he is personally opposed to abortion but doesn't think government should intervene. the problem is that the democratic party and the electorate moved forward on this issue and has moved in a much more progressive dressing. and it's not just a wing of the party that believes the hyde amendment should be eliminated. it's a mainstream position, as joan said, in the democratic platform. you saw all the candidates today. so i don't think this is a political calculation on his