could turn this into something for him. >> david axelrod, you want to say something? >> yes, i think another subplot here is what the kind of lesser candidates, only in terms of standing in the polls do, because they have to make a splash to try to stay on the debate stage for september when the standards for getting into the debate get higher. so, you know, you've got a kirsten gillibrand on the stage who has pitched her candidacy around feminist issues. will she go after joe biden on the anita hill case? you've got bill de blasio who would like to be where sanders and elizabeth warren are as a kind of front-running progressive candidate. will he go after biden on some of his positions on the crime bill or the bankruptcy bill? i think biden, you know, biden he needs to prove that he is up to it. he didn't look particularly good in the last debate. i think he's going to have a lot of opportunity to do that in this debate. >> so, chris, then you've got senators warren and sanders on the same night.