the -- that would be the accurate alkt of what came out, maybe just glibly ob maybe what they really think? what do you say. >> look ken needs to speak for himself on this. i'm not going to pull him out of a hole. ible that most americans want our immigration system to favor people who are coming here that can benefit our economy, who want to become americans, want to come and work and be part of our american culture. that's what americans want. and i think that's what the trump administration wants. i don't think americans want people to come here who don't have an intention of working or who coming here to take advantage of the services we provide. there is a great debate going on between the parties. we saw the democrat candidates for president at one of the debates recently all raise heir hand about free health care to illegal grents and you have the president and his people on the other side saying whoa, whoa, whoa maybe we ought not give everything away for free to folks who aren't coming through a legal system. i think ken may have dug himself a hole but that doesn't absolve