own officials, own dhs officials, own fbi director, is that the problem with white supremacist violence, militia violence, is by far the predominant problem and the president is pointing elsewhere and in doing so he is facilitating and excusing the dominant problem in this sphere. it's a dangerous situation. >> juliet, the charging documents or the government affidavits do not mention the president in any way or make any direct reference to these men who are now in custody being inspired by the president. so then what do his words mean? what is a connection between the language the president uses and not necessarily these people, but the rise of extremism writ large? >> so it's a radicalization it's not an on/off switch. it isn't that a leader says something and his followers just follow. what we see happening is a sort of a policy term called stowe