really good middle class schools, whether or not you'll get a good teacher. so we chose that as our metaphor because these parents were doing everything they could to get their kids into the one good school in their neighborhood and it's still tough to get in. >> gregg: bill, do we not spend enough per student? is money wasted? is that part of the problem? >> i think part of the problem is we've got to reach beyond traditional education for resources that are in the community. there are many citizens and organizations like mine that are ready to step up and participate in an educational strategy, focused in on at risk kids. many of whom are minority, black and hispanic, 50% dropout rates, but there are remediation strategies, i believe, that dealt with public schools and public school systems in every city in this country, but it needs to be a strategy that is collectively developed between public schools and community-based institutions and i think that's where a lot of