college. maybe for people to understand, the standardized tests come in multiple, multiple forms. what's being used in no child left behind and specifically here in the state of pennsylvania is not a type of test that is similar to the s.a.t. these are different tests that designed -- more importantly these tests are designed to point out failures. >> i'm familiar with them. i have two young children and they spend a lot of weeks preparing for these kinds of tests you're talking about. what do you recommend the country do to try to figure out where our kids are? we're dealing with millions of children. so what kind much tests should we give them to see if they're earning passing grades? >> one of the things we should do is first of all, we need to give trust -- we need to trust our teachers again and go back to looking at them and the professionals and the principals in the local communities who are supposed to be making those decisions to begin with in the first place. when you take away that decision making from the local level where people who are there, teachers who knows, i know the