during a government shut down ace under it? >> that's my understanding. we need to be careful about what would happen in the shut down and what wouldn't happen in a shut down. when it comes to essential services like defense of our country we're not going to shut that down. that is not going to happen. i hope the shut down doesn't happen, i don't think anyone wins with a shut down. if it does happen i want to make it clear some people in congress think a shut down would be a good thing to happen. i think congress should feel the pain. we should have have a vote on this so congress doesn't get paid during the shut down. martha: a lot of these agencies were pre funded and they continued to operate during the last shut down. because we don't have any budget for 2011 at all a lot of things -- what would automatically shut down? what would we all notice instantly if it happens. >> first of all you're right it's different than 95. i was -pbt here in 95. some appropriation bills have been passed.
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