we're smarter than that. put the smart tags on the vehicle and people who use the roads more pay a little more from the use fee than people who don't use them, number one, and number two, you can't make the argument that we can privatize everything because, to jonas' point i'm on the your vief pass road and used to be a dollar, it's now $8. >> brenda: and they never ever bring the tolls down once they pay for the road. >> yes. >> brenda: julian, what do you say? >> i came last minute. ten o'clock last night sitening traffic over an hour. the paul wiler, last conservative, said conservatives are just as tired of sitting in traffic, we're about 10 billion dollars short and the idea in an annual basis, the bush administration said that the interstate highway system and road system creates benefits for every single business in every single sector and the idea, i think, of privatizing is not realistic, a private company cannot build an interstate highway system. >> why not. >> i think the idea of a tax right now. makes mow sense given the