retraction in private spending and no hiring. like we had, you know, one or two years ago, at this point when you're actually seeing regular hiring, you want the government to kind of step back and not compete with the private sector and not hire as many people. we probably should have hired more people 0 and federal level and now it's hard to shrink government. that doesn't always work, and it's a nice theory, but at this point i would say get out of the way and slowly, but surely taking on the job. >> gary b. i'm sure you have a list of government workers you'd like to hire. >> well, i -- i'll demure on that one, brenda. i think it boils down to simple economics. so, let's just -- the dollar is a dollar. is it better spent by the government or the private sector? studies have shown that the multiplier, in fact, how much a dollar spent by the government adds to the economy is very often less than a dollar. so, a dollar spent by the government adds less than a dollar to the economy. why? because it crowds out private