>> that situation were reverse add short time later and they did run the tape. joining us from boston, democratic strategist mary ann marsh and from los angeles, fox news analyst, lesley. freedman from the "new york times" on this program yesterday and i asked this question. it's a simple question 'cause as you know, lesley, i am a simple man. >> yes. >> mr. freed, what country can you point that that practices income redistribution on a large scale, that is powerful and successful in the world today? he didn't have one. >> is that my question? >> yeah, because you're smarter than freedman. so i'm asking you the same question. mr. freedman didn't have one. do you? >> i do actually. 2005 countries. i would say that -- i know that you're going to argue with me about this, i would say the united kingdom and france and germany would be a better example. >> germany, number one, doesn't practice income redistribution, neither does switzerland.