and so that's what he's going to do, paul ryan himself in kentucky this week and arguably, he's going to have a harder row to hoe here going into the first presidential debate and barack obama, everyone expected he would win and romney needs to put in a good performance and in fact did very well. the argument here is that paul ryan is so great and he will hold his own, but no one should underestimate joe biden. he's going to be okay out there. >> paul: this may be something of a trap for ryan because you know, the media expectation he's going to do so well and he's a numbers guy and knows his brief and so on, but widen is a real slasher and he's going to go after, i assume, mitt romney, hammer and tong. what does ryan have to do here in this debate? >> well, he's going to have to fight back, paul. there was once a debate called a kitchen debate. this is going to be the kitchen sink debate and joe biden is going to throw one