these people say, i love -- don't take my big bird from me. don't take my farm subsidies. don't take my military subsidy. there is a constituency for every program. >> bill: big bird would survive and elmo would survive. >> probably. >> bill: they would go into the marketplace because they are popular, they would be there. so, the whole argument falls apart. it's a theoretical argument that falls apart. >> totally, but they still won't want to cut anything because they can sell the idea we will lose big bird if they cut. >> bill: they don't want to cut anything. why? do liberal america want the country to go bankrupt? what's the ultimate thing here. >> they are not analytical thinkers. they don't think out in front. they think we wouldn't have schools if the federal government didn't throw more money. wouldn't have teachers. >> bill: i just don't understand it at all. john stossel, everybody. and there is plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. comedian d.l. hughley not a big fan of mitt romney. he will be here to tell us