explore ideas and religion which is a live arena to explore. the bible is hard to read. >> greg, i don't think it is fair to say they are anti-american. i think it is thought cool to go to church. if you go to church every weekend you probably are considered a little bit of a weird owe. >> but where does that idea come from? it drips down from campuses. you learn that anything considered t traditional, the things that made the country great, the structure is seen as uncool and as stupid. meanwhile you have people who rebel against that who are seen -- >> it isel so cower ray -- courageous to stand up for it on a college campus. everyone who goes along like a sheep, it is easy to go along and mockery lig general and mock -- mock religion. >> and i am not religious and i am saying this. >> thmey make them out to be something crazy and they have nicknames, holy rollers and this and that. it is shameful. >> can we just point out one other thing?