decision governor chaffee reversed. all of those things happened because we, we attacked them, we challenged them. so, therefore, it isn't a mythical war on christmas, it's real and we just won. >> no. no. here's what i think you do that's a mistake. we live in a country of about 315 million people. there are going to be some people who want to call it a holiday tree and some people who want to put up a sign, you know, and things like that. but if there's anything to this, bill, it isn't a war on christmas, it's a battle that's part of a bigger war -- >> yeah, culture war, i agree. >> a culture war, exactly. >> right. >> and here are the two sides. conservatives think that their family values are under attack by liberals who call it a holiday tree. and a lot of liberals think that there are far too many christians who, if they had their way in this country would turn america into a christian theocracy. so, here comes the war on christmas, where somebody does something really dopey like puts