here that we're exiting. and the obama has done a good job, they've reallocated part of our naval fleet to the pacific ocean where we haven't had wars. i've come from the school of thought where if we already have enough nuclear bombs to blow up the world several times over, why do we need anymore? >> mike, again, it's a dangerous world out there. if we spend money now, perhaps it won't blow out of control. >> you do it to protect your country and your alleys. i'm going to go to the late '70s and early '80s. >> rich doesn't remember. >> i remember when barack carter was president and the economy was totally ruined.