publicly. >> and, harris, khalid khalid sh mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, knew that this debate on this couch was coming. he said your country will turn on you. the liberal media will turn on you, the people will grow tired of this, they will turn on you, and when they do, you are going to be abandoned. to me, i thought, wow, khalid sheikh mohammed understand it is naivete of the liberal public and the liberal media, that they're going to support his rights and stand up in support of khalid sheikh mohammed's rights but not praise this cia officer. they really do understand us better than we think. >> they exploit it. that's one of the reasons why isis so successful in its propaganda. >> do you really think that's what people are doing? standing up applauding khalid sheikh mohammed? >> no. [inaudible conversations] >> no, no, no. [inaudible conversations] >> human rights. >> more than they're concerned about the life of dr. mitchell. >> no, that is not true. >> it is true. >> couple things.