really effective. >> it's also expensive, jennice, it's also very expensive when there is two or three or 400,000 people coming across the border illegally and then we have to pick up the healthcare for them and we have to pick up food stamps for them. go ahead, mercedes. >> well, and they are also aware that if they come to this country and this is primarily for central america, which has a different policy than the mexicans coming in is the fact that they do have a legal right to deportation hearings. guess what, there are these backlogs, right in the mere fact that they know they can stay here and wait and don't have to go through the legal process and the fact that our government and this administration is sending them mixed messages which even the central american presidents who come out and have said you know what, president obama, your policy is ambiguous. >> stay with me for one second. think about this. in order for the republicans to win the presidency, you have to nail down somewhere between 35 and 40% of the hispanic vote. >> absolutely. >> so is it -- >> -- even higher than that. >> so let's say 40%. how is a republican ever going to win if you have
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