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what do we do about our own kids? these are big issues. they are never answered. 2014, tremendous wave. in 2015, it subsides. in 2016, another tremendous wave. 2017, it subsides. 2018, here we go again. what is the answer? we immediate to get at a table and stop make up pictures and stop calling each other names and be serious about the country and its future. and that hungry huddle pass that is to the south of us, what are we going to do? we can't ignore it anymore. >> martha: charlie, thank you. always good to see you. good to see you tonight. charlie leduff joining us. the putzer-prize winning author who has spent time on the border. coming up tonight the american families permanently separated from their children. >> president trump: the word "permanently" being the word you have to think about. permanently. not separated from a day or two days. they are permanently separated. >> martha: he is right about that. these people lost their children to illegal aliens.

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