statement under oath not just a blanket denial to the media. there is no crime in lying to the media if it were otherwise every politician in washington would be behind bars. brian: can we get a nuances to this and tell me if this figures into this? the rivalry between mccabe and rosenstein, the story out today that they were telling each other to recuse themselves from the mueller investigation. >> "the washington post." brian: the fact is if you want to get back at rosenstein you leak a story that rosenstein wanted to enact this 25th amendment. the one that i think that bonds the president with rosenstein, who they seem to somehow when they meet they don't emerge angry they both don't like andy mccabe and think he is a liar? is there something else going on here? >> what's happening is the rats are trapped in a cage and that youing at each other. not just mccabe and rosenstein. lisa page is now saying that rosenstein trying to record