for these horrific crimes that are happening, i think that we have to look at this differently than we have under president trump in the past few years but also under president obama, president bush, president clinton, and that's -- that's what's different, i think, with the spirit right now in the country and that's why i do think these red flag laws are going to have more success out of the 17 states, but here -- arthel, excuse me, this issue is not something that we can look at from a partisan lens anymore. arthel: seems like -- i have to go, so i'm going to wrap this up. i am say to go you, jehmu and karl, seems like you are on the same page and that's a good thing and i'm happy to have both of you because i know that you both have strong points for both of your teams and you did just that and i thank you both karl
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