the enemy until you need a friend. and if you look at what's happened in the gulf, the gulf of mexico, what happened with that coal mining incident, where we're going to look at how regulation worked, you need a government role in certain instances. and i think one of the things bill clinton did with al gore's reinventing government project is accept the idea that if you are a liberal or ai inprogressi you're going to use government. but people don't trust the government will always work well. and you have a constant task of persuading people, i am changing this in ways that will make it work. there very reforms or agencies under obama, but people don't see them. >> dave, do you have a different view? >> i think it's all about values. is government reinforcing my values about hard work and individual responsibility? and the bailout's violated people's sense of that. if government welfare reform, it was big government. it was kind of intrusive, but it reinforced the values you work and get something for it. and people are fine with that.