disenfranchised blacks, and that analogy could be made in many ways to the illegal immigrants. but the supreme court itself in the case i mentioned earlier, it strongly suggested that their view was that the language of the 14th amendment did embrace the children of illegal aliens. what we did not want in this country is to face something like what germany has. germany has a great number of stateless people, particularly turks. that creates great harm and some instability for that country. and the united states has a very important debate to have here. it's not that there isn't a basis for the argument on the other side, but there are very important social and constitutional arguments against the positions stated today. >> yeah. what happens to those kids if they're not americans and we're going to throw them out, or more importantly, what happens to them if they stay? which is a great point to be examined in length at another time when we get you on for