and another person privately and newt gingrich for a long time was that. she has more reason to know than anybody. she was married to him for 18 years. he asked her to marry him before he was divorced the first time, and apparently according to her, asked his most recent wife to marry him before he was divorced from his second wife. so it's been an interesting life, as well as an open book. >> as somebody used to joke about rudy giuliani, you know, it is -- there may be -- three marriages is one -- is maybe two too many. >> you know, the interesting thing about rudy though is that, you know, there were a lot of problems obviously in rudy's campaign when he ran, but rudy didn't lose because of an ex-wife or because of really any anything that had to do with his personal life, and i think a lot of the stuff about newt has been litigated already. obviously if he were to run, he'd have to address all these issues but in this economic environment right now people are