you about this is really no laughing matter at all, i see it, and it's serious when a journalist who has been over there thinks that getting out of afghanistan is stupid or staying on the air, get out is stupid. your thoughts? >> well, i was in afghanistan also, ed, yo know what joe saw or didn't see. i assume he was only able to see the people that the military approved of, but i can tell that you stupid is the last word i would use accusing anyone who is asking us to rethink this policy. it doesn't make fundamental sense. and what we are up against is the military media complex, where they work hand in hand, trying to convince all of us in the country that we should be spending $1 million a troop and somehow, we are safer by invading, occupying and killing people in afghanistan. but the public knows it's not true and we have seen a huge shift in the public opinion polls. i'm sorry joe is resorting to name calling, doesn't get us any place. >> well, mr. climb, who has been over there numerous times, now know he is that the american people don't want to be there, but to advocate the policy of get out is where america is right now. how did we get there so low?