libyan people the urgent support that they need, you can watch what will happen. it will be sort of this islamic charity bowl organizations proliferating around the country. >> karen, go ahead. >> so we were talking about, mr. bas ado ambassador, about the politics of this. we've barely begun in the 2012 cycle and heard some pretty whacky stuff from the president. but clearly, whoever is the next president, whether president obama is re-elected or one of the pizza crew gets in, is going to have to figure out a strategy to deal how do we engage with libya. what should we be listening for in the debate? i mean, what -- what you just described seems very complicated and very easy for us to get mired in very quickly. what's the right approach and what should we, as voters be listening for? >> well, karen, the most important thing to remember here is not like the other arab spring countries. there's a great deal of reservoir of pro-americanism
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