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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:57:00

here with his daily rant, david goodfriend. >> thank you, dylan. of course, all day long, msnbc has been showing images of the recently deposed, now deceased, dictator of libya, moammar gadhafi. and the sages of tvland are lining up to opine on what it all means. so please forgive me as i now opine on what it all means. is the lesson here that u.s. foreign policy was right? well, we all can agree that gadhafi was a bad guy. but the u.s. has had an anti-libya policy for decades. the only thing that has changed was when enough brave people took to the streets in libya against their oppressive leader. president obama arguably handled the situation well with nato, but i'm always going to be concerned about presidents using military force without congressional authorization, even presidents from my own political party. no, for me, the lesson here is one that should hit close to home. it's about power and what happens when too much of it is

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:39:00

destroyed pan am flight 103 over lockerbie, scotland, and many families of the victims blamed the libyan leader. >> moammar gadhafi is a murderer and killed 203 innocent people as well as all sorts of people in libya. >> though gadhafi denied responsibility for years, the bomb was traced until an intelligence officer, and it wasn't until after 9/11, those attacks in the u.s., that ultimately catalyzed him to rehab his image, he admitted responsibility and paid billions to the victims' family. he sought out meetings the world over and spoke against al qaeda and weapons of mass destruction, even dismantling his own wmd programs. but the people libya have long since had enough of the people galvanized by uprisings and tunisia and egypt, the arab spring took hold in libya, unleashing a torrent of fury against gadhafi.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:44:00

well, the news today out of libya, a testament to the force of the people coming together and rejecting whatever the status quo was. in this case, the stakes were about as high as they get in any nation. but from tripoli to tiananmen square, right down to the streets of cairo this spring or wall street this fall, we have seen the power of protest flexed at home and abroad. why is it that some uprisings and demonstrations come to succeed while others splinter and fail. and how much does the occupation in america have in common with the events and principles of tahrir square or tiananmen square? and here with us now is chai ling, one of the student leaders of the tiananmen square protests of 1989, who is now advising the occupy boston protesters. she's also author of "a heart for freedom." also with us, matt taibbi, contributing editor for "rolling stone," who has been covering the occupy wall street movement extensively and matt's book

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:02:00

today. he was arrested from inside the ditch and then died while in custody. now, video of his final moments seems to back up the claim. some say gadhafi died from injuries sustained in the original air strike. otherwise say he was subsequently executed after they arrested him. regardless, the transitional government now has custody of gadhafi's body in misrata. celebrations breaking out almost immediately in tripoli and across libya. >> just this beautiful moment right now, i thought a dream just came through. >> we killed everyone like the gadhafi. >> all the world is suffering because he's doing -- because he was doing terrorist operations. and now we are happy. >> now comes the not-so-easy task of building a new country. three now, we have seen, go to

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:05:00

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:05:00
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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:29:00

him in the late '60s. libya starts on the cadillac of crude. low sulfur content, not a lot of refinery requirement. everybody wants the libyan oil. it is the third largest reserve in africa. and there's only 6 million people. do the math. 6 million divided by $68 billion in revenues and you got a lot of money that can trickle down to that population. >> susan, go ahead. >> oh, ambassador, when we talked about that population, they're basically clans. and i'm wondering, how are they possibly going to get people together and really create a government and split up this money? i mean, it seems that there's still going to be some loyalists to gadhafi that are going to fight back? is there any way they're going to come together as a nation to handle this kind of money in my reasonable amount of time? it all depends on whether or not this transitional national

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:01:00

terror attacks, and gadhafi's death being called one of the most significant victories to date in the arab spring. >> the dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted and with this enormous promise, the libyan people now have a great responsibility, to build an inclusive and tolerant and democratic libya that stands as the ultimate rebuke to gadhafi's dictatorship. >> and the details coming together slowly. here's the gist of what we understand at this hour. early this morning, revolutionary forces led by exactly who, we don't know, captured gadhafi's hometown of sirte. this was the last of the pro-gadhafi strongholds in the ongoing civil war. as he tried to flee, nato air strikes and u.s. drones hit gadhafi's convoy. that much the u.s. has confirmed. gadhafi, apparently, however, survived the hit and was later found inside this drainage ditch. you may have seen this picture

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:18:00

americans who had lost their lives at the hand of gadhafi. press secretary jay carney just wrapped up a briefing. we asked him what the united states' role would be moving forward. he basically said that the u.s. will continue to be a partner with libya, although the details hadn't exactly been worked out. but he did reiterate the fact that this will be a long and difficult process for the transitional national council moving forward, but the united states, its international allies would be there to help them. dylan? >> kristen, thank you so much. let's turn to our mega panel, karen, susan, and jimmy are here. what is your immediate reaction to this news, karen? >> well, assuming that it's true, which it sounds like now that we're more confident that it is, this is great news, hopefully, for the libyan people. i think, obviously, this is a starting point. an end of one thing, but a starting point on what's going to be a very long road for them. i also, of course, think of it in political terms. that here, again, i think the president and his administration

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:33:00

hospitals. and i would suggest to you that we need infrastructure spending. and i would suggest to you -- and i'm not a xenaphobe, i'm not, but since president obama has ridded the world of just about every damned terrorist out there, that perhaps now we can focus here and look at what our needs are. i'm not a xenaphobe, i'm just thinking outside the box. >> jimmy, this is jobs for america. we're not in a zero sum game where americans lose because the libyans win. the libyans have money to hire americans and hire american companies to do work that they right now are very good at. we know how to build hospitals. we know how to provide medical care and to provide that type of training. there's companies, private companies all over the united states that could gain huge numbers of dollars from this work that is necessary in libya. so i don't agree with your

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111020:20:38:00

he called himself the leader of the revolution, but today it was a revolution against him that killed moammar gadhafi. he seized power 42 years ago ousting libya's last monarchy. once in control, he nationalized libya's oil revenues is saw libya grow rich, but no one richer than his own clan. his reign involved into a classic military dictatorship, killing dozens of political opponents each year, but it was libya's role as a state sponsor of terror that made gadhafi into an international pariah. the bombing of a berlin nightclub that killed two american soldiers led then-american president ronald reagan to famously describe gadhafi. >> this mad dog of the middle east has a goal of a world revolution, muslim fundamentalist revolution. >> two years later, a massive

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