governor technically has a right to impeach the head of the redistricting committee, but this is really unprecedented. i cover redistricting around the country, chris, and i haven't seen anything like this, where a governor of any party has gone in and tried to take over an independent commissions process. that's where this is really new and unchartered territory in terms of redistricting. what isn't new is that politics is inserted into this process. redistricting is one of the most political processes out there. >> what would be a fair assessment? how many seats did arizona have? it had, what, eight? >> yes. and now it has nine. >> what would be a fair delineation, a division, if you do it by, say, voter turnout or voter registration. what would be a fair thing, a breakout of the two parties? >> well, i like to say, there's no such thing as fair and redistricting. it all depends who can draw the line, who holds the pen. there should probably be more democratic seats than republican seats.