has shown up at fund-raisers for his pac. it's not like you would show up a a fund-raiser for a pac you hate. newt gingrich was asked if he would disown these ads and say, i hope people watch the movie. >> i think you're making a good point, but there's such a tendency for the media to play gotcha over the candidate themselves. the path to reform here is passing something like what senator durbin has, the fair elections now act is bringing campaign finance reform in and having public funding. you're not going to fly the airplane and build it at the same time. you're not going to have an individual candidate, unilaterally disarm, because they technically don't like the idea. you have to have structural reform. >> and getting money out of politics, however, has proven to be if not a fool's errand, a very difficult thing. and i look at, you know, how successful mitt çromney's supe pac was, in basically just cratering newt gingrich's numbers in iowa. why would he want to -- >> but they're not making stuff up. let's remember. they're not making stuff up. newt gingrich had a pretty long past. he was getting hit on things he