and equal. >> and for years say for white americans, and the mainstream americans, and they were not exceptional for everybody in the pre-civil rights era, and when we see the clip of obama speaking like that, it seems like a lifetime ago. >> it does. >> i agree with you and admire that you are willing to say, no, it is not like that anymore and it is heartbreaking to me this is the reality, and the other thing that you have to remember is that when you inject people's faith-based values into the equation, it is more difficult, because when people believe something because of the faith, they won't change their minds because of the statistics or the political policy, so that makes the exceptionalism more polarized. >> i want to go back to the point of the feeling that part of what i heard you say that if i don't believe what the kids are doing better than i, and sure a shared struggle, but if i don't believe that it is an uptick and the kids can do