know what the problems are. we can't keep fighting. it's not time to finger point and blame. it's time to be how do we get exchanges up and running efficiently so we get the effects we need from the amount of signups, get the actual system functioning. i think it's -- if i'm in the administration i'm not sitting around being like whose fault is this? whose fault is that? >> the question will be asked at some point, josh, is the president on the hook for any of this. there's vast amounts of obstruction both at the state level and congress in terms of funding this thing, opting out of the exchanges. there's incompetence. problems the president never could have trouble shot. as juliette points out he was more engaged in the last six months. should he have been more engaged a year before. >> it's possible to build a working exchange as we can see 14 states and district of columbia have websites that are various degrees of working. i don't think it's fair for the white house to say this is an impossible task. we couldn't have done it. >> i don't think they are saying that, are they?