sacrificed at the alter of national security. >> and in terms of the balance. in terms of tracking -- >> he kind of alluded to -- counterintelligence program under jay edgar hoover to literally stop the rise of a black messiah. that's the language you found in those documents. it is true that that when the president raidsed those issues, it should let everybody know it is legitimate. it is right to probe into this issue. you're not soft on security if you're really concerned about secrecy and government and privacy. >> president commented on congress to create this panel of experts to advice the fisa court as well. it will be interesting to see whether that's something that congress does -- >> look, there's a proliferation of boards and reviews that have happened. of course, there is the civil liberties board which hadn't met for several years until the snowden revelations happened. the proof is in the pudding and