hostile what we are doing. we don't take any wall street money. they have been lumped together as backed by wall street and big money people. they say we are out here grinding in the bronx trying to do something better than in many cases the public schools can do. why be hostile to the idea? even if it's not all of the charter schools and i accept that why be hostile to something that is working and even in a small sliver it's wok,ing? >> if you were a lawyer i would say you're leading the witness. i would say charters is a constant part of the lineup. >> it looks like it. >> looks like an important word. >> if you say eva has to be taken care of and you knock three of her schools off the top you would say there is -- >> what about the five of her schools. >> are going through? >> the 14 charters we proofed a -- approved and if you say you guys could have done better relations you're right but not the point. why was he sitting next to cardinal dolan on thursday? i know the catholic schools will be a part of the solution too.