nature and seeing it play out in this fantastical way. >> i saw it two nights ago. virtually everyone was rooting for the apes over the human beings, which was interesting. why do you think humans going to this movie and root for the apes? >> i think because -- well, first of all, i hope that they are not necessarily rooting against the humans, but there's a kind of pull i think when we go to the movies. you confront sort of your worst nightmares. one of the safe places wheria can approach our biggest fears. there's something about watching our own demise that is part of the insane kind of spectacle of genre. i think this is meant to be about empathy, and for us all to sort of hope that they also grapple through this, but there's part of you that also wants to see that war begin so you can confront that terror and in some way even indulge in the pleasure of watching our own destruction. it's a very strange -- >> that is very strange. i mean, i also feel like in a way the apes are the underdogs