obviously help with the arrest help get the indictment, but at the end of the day, is this one piece of evidence going to be the smoking gun that gets him convicted beyond a reasonable doubt? >> and let's start, erin with something you know a lot b as a general matter people say if it's bad news for the bad guy, we want it in the case. why is it just generally that sometimes this kind of evidence isn't a good idea to be in a case? >> well typically, the fourth and fifth amendment may come into play and prohibit evidence from being used. in this case i don't think this will be an issue. >> to pause on that what you're saying that that is to defend people's rights. so sometimes the bad news doesn't get in. >> exactly. >> here you think it goes in why? >> here it goes in because these are not police officers, and it seems as though they were not working with police, at the direction of the police.