>> we opened pandora's box when we went into iraq. some said that before. not many. and all of this stuff that we are seeing today the rise of isis the disintegration of the state in iraq, the disintegration of the state in syria, i think is arguably directly connected to our invasion. we destroyed the state. this is what happens when you destroy a state. you have chaos. you have the rise of factions, regional and ethnic factions and i think we can look at that decision and say that's the reason that hundreds of thousands, probably a coupleple if you add it all up people have been killed. >> you were spikeing earlier about the way we are currently fighting isis. i thought you made a really good point, basically, you have to decide whether this is something we actually want to do or not as in a sort of deep democratic sense.