your line of work, the justice department, going to toe to toe with a president who fights dirty? >> i mean, it's sort of surreal. toe to toe is the word. this's a lot of coverage of it as if it's acaged wrestling match, comey versus trump. comey did some things that i'm on record as saying were mistakes, but he's 100% right here. this is not normal. this is not okay. it is not the job of the president of the united states to say who should be in jail and who shouldn't be in jail. and that's even if what we were saying had any basis in fact, which it doesn't. it really is an attack on the norms. and a little postscript, having listened to the last panel, because the thing about stormy that in some ways is heartening -- yes it's anomalous and sensational, but it really is a kind of triumph of the rule of law there. it's kind of good news.